Dude, if you really are actively sabotaging someone's campaign why aren't you doing it to someone who actually matters?

I mean, sorry Issler, I think you're nice and all, but you don't really matter in this race even if by some miracle you do make it to one of the bottom seven spots.

We're all mittens, we have no individual will, anyone seem to remember this being mentioned?

I heard it on Jita Park, it must be true.

I'm from the Center for Advanced Studies and I operate mostly in empire, so Mittens obviously doesn't represent the part of the game I play. I still voted for him though.

I'm willing to put my playstyle aside to vote for someone that produces results and acts in a professional manner as he does. Not to mention bothering to make a Q&A thread where constituent issues can be answered by the man himself, and setting up a Skype channel as a means of direct communication between the CSM and CCP. Can other CSMs claim to be that innovative?

There are other candidates I'd like to see up there, namely Hans, Seleene, Meissa and Two step. But Mittens is the one that really needs to be there. I've read the other serious candidate's threads, and while some of them really do know their stuff, they wouldn't play as much as a vital part in the CSM process that Mittani does. Crucible was a great expansion/release, and we need someone that can see to it that Eve maintains this direction, and I couldn't think of anyone better to do that than Mittens.

mittani is one of few eve players that has considerable out-of-game exposure and subsequent popularity and following among your average internet pilot

like i can't think of anyone else from the game that has been interviewed by RPS

he's a much more sympathetic figure than people who mine ice all day

Based on last years votes less than 2.5% of your "average" pilot. Such amazing popularity.

Issler, I have a serious question for you:

How many votes do you think frying doom's insane posts have cost you?

I've gotten the impression that this thread isn't so much "Why did people vote for Mittani", because that's been made clear, as it is "Why didn't people vote for me?"

It's already been made clear why people voted for Mittani.

They didn't vote for you for the following reasons:

1. Your big push came after voting was wrapping up.
2. Your big push consisted mostly of making threads here, which only appeals to a small audience.
3. Your ideas, which have something to do with walking in stations and mining, weren't fleshed out.
4. You focused on how much you hate goons and how you're the non-goon candidate rather than fleshing out your ideas and debating them.
5. Seriously, flesh out your damn ideas and debate them. If you ragepost about goons, we'll troll you because it means you're a fun diversion. Trolling a genuinely well reasoned, well intentioned, and well presented argument isn't something many of us would do.
6. Any ideas you do have are vastly overshadowed by your terrible campaign manager. How many anti-goon candidates have there been? How many have gotten more exposure than you? You're splitting a small vote.

My advice is this. You want to be the WiS/mining candidate? Put together the best goddamn set of ideas for mining and walking in stations anyone has ever seen and try again next year. Think of ways to use mining to bring industry to nullsec, make mining by non-botters viable and competitive, and all the other issues I'm not aware of. Present multiple solutions to each problem, debate pros and cons, and all that crap. Do the same thing for walking in stations, with the additional caveat that you need to explain why resources from flying in space should be diverted or how to avoid diverting resources.

Basically, you need to make it clear you absolutely know your **** and are not using a gimmick like "I hate goons grrr" to win. Then people will talk about your ideas rather than your joke of a campaign manager. Then maybe you'll get invited to debates (as it is, you'd fall more on the comedy/Xenuria spectrum of why someone would debate with you). In the debate, you'll get exposure. Then, maybe you'll win.

As it is, all I remember about you is you keep posting really stupid anti-goon threads and it's pretty funny but getting tired.

Y h'lo thar pubbies!

People like you would just continue to ignore the problems nullsec faces at best, and at worse, actively seek to make nullsec even worse than it already is. The Mittani wants to fix things all over the galaxy, he understands the problems people face everywhere, not just in their walled garden that they never leave.
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Well, to address this comment which is obviously aimed at Hans (or at least partially), you realize the grand majority of the stuff in his platform is from the community itself?

Oh yes. Probably the most politically savvy player in the entire game getting elected by a clear margin is bad for the future of the game.

Dear Lord honey you and I need to have a talk

We post because most of the ideas that The Mittani has jive with our own.

As for gaining 'traction'? We do it partly to drum up votes, partly to generate comedy in the form of awful posts and threads from pubbies. #2 is far more successful than #1.


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Issler. Honey

We didn't push for the titan nerf (okay lol we did, but Mittens didn't exactly coerce CCP into it if you read his posts on the matter)
We advocate nerfing of Technetium (We have a lot of it and we are far too rich because of it)
Mittens got brand new newbie ships

If you could point out three things that Goons/Mittens are pushing for that are an example of the "EVIL GOONIE METAGAME" I'll pull out a compass and carve 'fancy that' on my ****.

how do you mesh your belief you are a known quantity with your consistent failure to secure a real seat since csm2

wouldn't that imply eve has rejected you and will always do so

i do not say that issler dainze has no voters or supporters besides her pathetically large legion of alts: I merely allude to the fact that many people believe this

i do not myself explicitly support the broad consensus among all reasonable voters that issler is actually mentally ill eleven year old who believes eve is real life and goons murder a real person every time they gank a miner, i merely report this broad consensus among all reasonable voters that issler is actually mentally ill eleven year old who believes eve is real life and goons murder a real person every time they gank a miner,

"Yes, you are right, reelection of Mittens will prove once and for all to those that think the CSM has become a goon meta-game they have nothing to fear!!" Issler ejaculates from her cake encrusted mouth

"Can you prove that it's a pawn in the meta-game " Says the devilishly handsome hero of the story, biceps rippling, shirt torn asunder

"Did I say I think he is "meta-gaming"? Looking carefully and I haven't." Replies Issler, Backpedally furiously in an attempted to not get caught in her own PUPPEMASTA Webs "I said their is a clear perception in a lot of the players minds the there is meta-gaming going on with the CSM. "

Of course you can neither confirm nor deny this can you Issler

PS - Lolololol
PPS - Might want to get your own narrative straight Issler Honey

WOOSH, as it goes over your head.

You'll find I've done nothing so debauched and debased as use the services of eve-search to follow up on my perfectly sound and logically foolproof arguments.

In order to settle our differences I propose we either Jelly wrestle at a future fanfest or have a Frigate Duel

Issler, baby, you ignored my last post

Was I too forward? I thought all I had to do was promise money, an easy life, and a sports car and I'd have this in the bag

I guess I just don't understand women. :(

At this point, I'd like t thank Issler. If nothing else her continued candidacy distracts goon trolls into posting here rather than in the threads of independant candidates that still have a shot. However, I fear she is at risk of becoming "damaged goods" in regards to next year's campaign. So, someone still in the fight, mail her a purple heart and a thanks card....

You missed my point. The point of stating your ideas for the game is not because CCP will implement them. Any voter with half a brain knows that. The reason why it's not a bad idea to give some of your ideas is so we get to know you, namely:

What you identify as problems.
How you analyze the problem.
How you plan to solve the problem.
What you perceive as the advantages and disadvantages of said solution..

A proposal is a way of showing your expertise in an area.

For example your platform is based on being the miner's friend. This is meaningless.

What is the problem miners have? How do you plan to solve it? Lets run through some scenarios and you'll see what I actually mean.


"Miners keep getting ganked! I would make concord respond immediately to any attack on a miner and also mining barges should be invulnerable in highsec!"

This approach to improving miners would tell me you are a dumb pubbie with an unrealistic view of the game. I would not vote for you.

"Mining is hideously boring and rewards skill in no way, shape, or form. I would add minigames to mining whose skillful playing could increase mining yield while at the same time making mining interesting. Players would also have the option to mine as they do now. If we implement this at the same time a major push to ban mining bots occurs, mining would become a feasible profession and any shock to the market due to bots being banned could be offset by the implementation of bonus yields through the mini game."

This approach tells me that you think mining is boring, which automatically makes me think better of you. It tells me you understand mining's larger role in EVE and how to adjust mining in a positive manner that will benefit those who enjoy the profession while avoiding causing issues that negatively impact the rest of EVE.

"Kill all miners IRL."

You would get my vote for this one.

Do you see my point though? We need more than just a platform here, we need to see you're a human being capable of intelligent, critical thought that can interact well with others. If you can't provide this you don't deserve to be elected.

If I recall correctly, sidus, Issler's idea for fixing mining is basically to have mobile refineries you can drag to a belt and to also give non-capitals the ability to compress ore. This goes back to my earlier point of her being outright harmful (if unintentionally so) to nullsec mining given how these two things would benefit hisec the most while making the rorqual effectively more worthless than it already is with regards to it's intended usage in both low and null. She claims to have all areas of the game in mind yet her ideas are not well thought out.

So you expect me to go through all your posts you've made in the past to pick out your ideas?

As opposed to most of the other candidates, even non-aligned ones like Hans, that present their platforms and ideas in a cohesive, easy to understand format in their opening post?

"Gee, this person has no coherent ideas in their opening post, but I bet if I dig far enough in their post history I'll be sure to find some"

I don't know whether you're the laziest or the dumbest candidate if you expect people to have to do the legwork for the pleasure of voting for you.

Actually we've discussed all of your posts and viewpoints at length on jabber. We've reached the conclusion that you should stop posting and date me, or at least I have. I think you would better understand the goon point of view if you knew one personally as you currently seem unwilling to look past certain prejudices and they are heavily influencing your responses in an almost combative manner.

I have 4 accounts so 4 votes, I have also been playing Eve for just over 2 years.

I am not affiliated to any of the candidates.

As a member of the goons put it (sorry can't remember your name but it was a very good post) I am one of the small number of voters who care enough about Eve to take part in the CSM elections but has no affiliations to any of the candidates, so my votes can go anywhere.

Now after reading the forums for the past couple of years you get to instantly reconsign certain names for what ever reasons.

I can honestly say the name Issler Dainze doesn't ring any bells, that is not to say you have not posted anything, just that whatever you have posted did not stick.

Now when looking at perspective CSM candidates, certain names instantly stand out as I am familiar with their names, forums posts and blogs, others I have no idea who they are.

So the most important thing that I need to see for me to even consider that candidate is that their opening post tells me who they are, what their goals are, and most importantly how they are going to achieve their goals.

Its all well and good saying that Low Sec and Science and Industry need some love but I want details on where think the fault lies and how you would fix it.

Without those details then I won't even get past the first page, let alone consider to vote for you.

So to sum up, if it wasn't for this post I would have no idea who you are so that shows how badly you have failed.

As for my 4 votes, 2 went to Seleene and 2 for the Mittani.

Name recognition plays a big part in democratic success.

efb :argh:

If you do not understand the concept behind having people recognize your name then you truly have no idea.

I will give you an example and I hope he does not mind using him :)

Liang Nuren

A name that most people who use the forums will recognize, why, because he is very knowledgeable in the aspect of the game play he enjoys and also because his PvP video 's and blogs are both fantastic.

For you to have that recognition it means that you have contributed in some way, shape or form. You might be well know for your forum posting, work on 3rd party apps, scams, pirating, knowledge of the game etc..

It mean that what ever you have done, it has been worthy of making a mental note of.

On a side note the fact that you do not care why people have not voted for you shows that you would be a very bad choice for CSM

Again you have failed.

Like I said previously, I have no affiliation with any of the candidates.

At the beginning of the voting process The Mittani had as much of a chance of gaining my votes as the other candidates who I knew off.

As for the others like yourself, you could of still of gained my vote so long as you put together a well thought out opening post which you completely failed to do.

Let me put it this way to you. Here are last years results

Delegates
5,365 The Mittani
3,813 Seleene
3,320 UAxDEATH
3,306 Trebor Daehdoow
2,925 Killer2
2,539 White Tree
2,240 Vile Rat
2,086 Meissa Anunthiel
1,986 Draco Llasa

Alts
1,747 Elise Randolph
1,341 Prometheus Exenthal
1,090 Krutoj
956 Two Step
921 Darius III

Now lets say for arguments sakes that out of the total number of votes, 1000 belonged to players like me, hell make it 500, players who have no affiliation to any of the candidates.

The difference from being a CSM Delegate and Alternative during CSM 6 was only 239 votes.

The vast majority of votes during a CSM election are already accounted for before day 1, so players like me are the players that candidates like YOU need to convince.

You know what, I'm going stop now because you are either now trolling or you truly stupid.

I am hoping for the former as I can't believe that a person can be as dumb as you are making out to be.

At which point did I say I voted for them because they came 1st and 2nd.. that is correct, no where.

I explained why I voted for the The Mittani, just because you might of not liked the answer, not is not my problem.

As for Seleene, I personally feel having a former Dev on the CSM is a massive positive for more reasons then I care to list.

Also unlike you when he states that he is unhappy with an aspect of the the game, he explains why he is unhappy and what he would do to fix it, whilst showing a excellent knowledge of the game (which he would as being a former Dev)

I also enjoy his blogs and his willingness to be open and honest.

You should be ashamed of yourself, Issler.

The bulk of my constituents have always come from outside of Goonswarm, and yet self-righteous 'democrats' like you slander them at every opportunity.

I am Alexander Gianturco, not 'The Mittani' when I'm in Iceland. I'm probably the savviest political operator in EVE (a bloo bloo bloo mittens is arrogant oh noes), and everyone knows it - which is why they vote for me, regardless of my ticker. My style of gameplay - war, conquest, murder, and ruthlessness - speaks to a huge population of players, even my in-game enemies.

(except those with Titans, those vote for Elise)

Even those who do not play 'my way' vote for me, because they know that I'm the best possible advocate for the players in a messy post-Incarna CCP environment.

In short: Deal with it.